1) Interview with EBE-2: March 5th, 1983 at Los Alamos National Labs.

The following reported interview was referenced in discussion by many on the list, and can be found both in Exempt from Disclosure by Robert Collins, and on Collins' website www.ufoconspiracy.com. While the details do not match precisely, the orders of magnitude of the numbers provided (length of day and year) do correspond.

    The following is an account of the meeting I [Rick Doty] was involved in with EBE-2. On March 5, 1983, I was at Los Alamos National Laboratories conducting business on a counterintelligence project. During my visit, a source I'll call LANL-1, asked me to sit in on a very special interview. Not knowing what he was talking about, I questioned him. However, he wouldn't say exactly what the project involved or who was being interviewed.

    I accompanied LANL-1 to an underground facility west of the Los Alamos complex. The area was called, Site 30. Access to this facility was gained by entering Area 49. Access to the underground facility was through building number 49-2091. An elevator took us down about 60 feet (only estimating). Once we arrived, access was gained through a large vault opening outside the elevator. We walked down a hallway to another vault door.

    We entered and turned right. We walked about 200 feet turned left and entered vault door to a large room. This room contained two tables, several chairs and recording equipment. I sat near the door. About ten minutes later, three people, who I did not know, entered the room. One, an Air Force Colonel, asked me to sign a security document, which gave me an upgraded clearance, TS/SCI/Group-MJ-B-3 clearance. I've never heard of this but I signed. The Colonel told me I was to listen and not make any sounds during the interview.

    I asked the Colonel who was being interviewed and he told me a guest from another planet! The Colonel left. The other two people set up a table with a microphone and recording equipment, including a camera. About five minutes later, in walks a 4' 9" non human looking creature. It was dressed in a tight fitting cream colored suit. It had no hair and was identified to me as EBE-2.

    EBE-2 sat in a chair across the table from two civilians and the AF Colonel. I did not know the identity of the three. LANL-1 came into the room and sat next to me. I listened while the three asked EBE-2 a series of questions pertaining to its home planet. First question was about the temperature, climate and weather. EBE-2 responded in perfect English but sounded like a machine generated voice. Very hard to explain but it was either coming from a device that EBE-2 had in front of him or from something in its body.

    EBE-2 explained the weather of its planet which was dry, varying temperature between 65-90 degrees. There was 35 hours of constant sunshine and three hours of darkness. Rainfall occurred only during one of its months each year. The day lasted 38 of our hours. They did not have months but did have years which consisted of approximately 600 of our days. They used a society cycle which I understood to be similar to our months. During this society cycle each Eben worked a certain time and conducted business. There was also a rest cycle which consisted of a regulated period of sleep. I don't recall the exact number of hours or sleep/rest. EBE-2 discussed weather patterns and how they were formed. I don't recall the exact words. However, EBE-2 seemed very intelligent and fully explained each weather pattern in precise detail. He used Earth's equivalents for Meteorology terms.

 

    The interesting part of this interview was that I didn't hear any questions being asked by the three humans sitting across from EBE-2. Either the questions were already given to EBE-2 or the three humans were "thinking the questions" and EBE-2 would respond in English.

 

    [Clarification requested by Rick Doty: this was observed on a TV monitor and Doty was not actually in the same room as EBE-2.]

 

    [Addition from Robert Collins: EBE–2 did state that his planet was named "Sieu" – but that was in Eben, not English. He never mentioned "Serpo" as such. He said that according to Earth days, his planet's days were approximately 37-40 hours; that he liked the cool climate of Earth, around LANL (Los Alamos National Laboratories) and northern New Mexico; and that he was a scientist and was providing assistance to Earth scientists in the area of space travel. EBE–1 (initially just known as EBE) was the sole survivor of the Roswell crash, and lived until 1952 (see this posting by Anonymous), EBE–2 arrived in 1964 and stayed till 1984, and EBE–3 (with two aides, one of whom was female) arrived in 1978 and stayed until 1994.]

© Peregrine Communications (Robert Collins) www.ufoconspiracy.com

Special thanks for the permission to reproduce the interview here.

 

2) Anomalous orbital data.

The orbital data supplied by Anonymous (particularly the 865 day period of orbit) do not appear to accord with Kepler's laws (unable to access the link). This generated a large volume of discussion on the list, a number of whose members are prominent scientists.

However, it's reasonable to consider that if a story like this was invented the first thing a storyteller would get right would be the physics, as the "correct" numbers are easy to calculate. So the fact that some of the numbers differ widely from those predicted by known laws – a sitting duck for criticism – may be a validating factor, not otherwise. Why set oneself up to be dismissed immediately?

 

3) Distortion of biological rhythms in the absence of the measurement of earth time.

Research has been done in caves on chronobiology, with no natural rhythms to guide the subjective judgement of time.

In 1962, Michel Siffre, a French caver and geologist, spent two months in a cave in the European Alps in the first of several "out of time" experiments. After 61 days underground with no time reference, he resurfaced on 17 September believing the date was 20 August.

In 1972 – now in collaboration with NASA – Siffre supervised other similar experiments before going down again into the Midnight Cave in Del Rio, Texas where he for 205 days, a far longer period. Siffre had all comforts and conveniences, including communication with the outside world, but had no means of measuring time. He had agreed to emerge when he judged 175 days had passed. Siffre said: "My brain would make automatic adjustments because it had memorised the previous experiment, and yet I was still out."

It’s interesting to speculate that while NASA may never have revealed (or maybe never knew themselves) the real reason for sponsoring the experiment, this would have been smack in the middle of the Eben exchange program (originally planned to be 1965-75, though Anonymous reports that it stretched to 1978) and presumably in their communication with Earth it would have become clear by then that the twelve had become time-disoriented: so research on Earth was necessary. Siffre, having done the first and only other experiment in 1962, would have been the obvious guinea pig.

A little calculation is interesting. In the first experiment, Siffre "stretched" his subjective time by a massive 85%. In the second experiment, fully prepared and alert to the problem, he did better – but still stretched his stay by 17%. The Eben exchangees appear to have stretched their own stay by approx 30%. Not proof as such, but a compelling indication, from an unexpected direction, that Anonymous's report has validity.

Reference: Michel Siffre, "Six months alone in a cave", National Geographic, v.147, no.3, March 1975, pp.426-435.

 

4) The ability of some ETs to manipulate and transcend time is referenced in Dan Sherman's book, Above Black.

Dan Sherman wrote a book, Above Black, in which he reveals how he was groomed and trained as a telepathic communicator with a race of ETs from and about whom he received data but never actually met – in preparation for an anticipated catastrophic event. He learned information that appears to corroborate the difficult reports by Anonymous that time is in some way experienced differently by the Ebens and/or in the Ebens' environment, with a corresponding distortion of physical laws as we would understand them.

Sherman states that he learned that "time" – as we humans know it – does not have the same meaning for them. They still age as we do but are not bound by the physics of time as we currently are. Their means of travel across vast distances is heavily dependent on the manipulation of time but not as we perceive it.

Sherman enquired whether they can travel through time, i.e. whether they can go backwards and forwards in time. He was told that it was not possible to witness a reality that occurred in some other time but the present: in order to go back in time, one must assume that there exists a reference point from which to measure backward or forward. This is an impossibility. Essentially, they weren't able to travel through time – rather, around time and from time. Sherman states that he never really understood what this meant. Their mode of propulsion was somehow that they used both time and electromagnetic energy. Sherman was also told that our sun was very unique; and that someday we would understand how it really worked and how we could utilize the same methods that they themselves use but on a smaller scale.

References: www.stealthskater.com(modified source), www.aboveblack.com

 

5) The reported inclusion of a "DIM" in the exchangees' inventory.

Anonymous reports in his fifth posting:

        They also took electric razors, coffee pots, electric heaters, a DIM (no explanation as to what this was), an electric IBM typewriter, a scientific calculator, slide rules (both conventional and scientific), Base Data Collection Recorder (BDCR), three different sized telescopes, tangents, both conventional and electrical.